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shayera From: shayera Date: September 7th, 2006 11:44 pm (UTC) (Link)
Wow. The paranoia of Japanese fans! I didn't know they went to such lengths! At least you know enough Japanese as well as enough fannishness to bypass it. Possibly they also want stupid gaijin to stay away?
ex_naye320 From: ex_naye320 Date: September 8th, 2006 03:41 am (UTC) (Link)
After I get you into Odoru I'll pass you a few links, because there are really awesome fanworks out there. ♥

Well. I can figure out the obvious stuff, but there were also sites I couldn't access at all. Like the one with the three Tokyo doujinshi events, and a few others. (What's a site's "CP"? It's possible it had something to do with the URL or the title... was damn hard to tell.) It's kind of frustrating... But, yeah. I'm getting the impression there's a serious uchi-soto going on in the Japanese fandom. (You could say it's just a privacy issue, but - the way it's set up, it totally is dividing people into in/out, where the fandom is a big uchi! ...it's so interesting. ^^;;)

If it had been FMA or a fandom like that, I would have said that the keeping gaijin out would probably have been a part of it, but... Odoru is kind of Japan-only. A lot of sites didn't even link the OFP, though most did have some kind of disclaimer. I guess it might not matter to fanartists, especially if they're already familiar with the gaijin problem from other fandoms, or through other fanartists, but - no. The impression I got wasn't that it was to keep anyone who didn't know Japanese out, but it was rather specific about keeping anyone who wasn't a fan of the series out, and making everyone who wanted to enter read the rules properly.

Of course, I never do read the rules properly, but from what I can gather almost all the sites forbit entry to men and non-fans. In those terms, even! One artist had a really big font saying that anyone who knew her in real life was absolutely not allowed... They also have rules about bookmarking, aside from what we already knew about linking. Especially bookmarks that can be reached on-line, but many of them seemed quite adamant about no bookmarks at ALL to anything but the first page with the disclaimers and quizzes and hidden links.

I'm halfway between fascinated and insanely annoyed. 面倒くさい!
shayera From: shayera Date: September 8th, 2006 03:52 am (UTC) (Link)
Insane! The bookmarking stuff makes me go o_O, because who can control what I do on my own private computer? Especially if no one else is ever using it... paranoia abound.

But it's interesting with the uchi/soto thing, because there's hardly anything of the like in Western fandom (friends-locked posts at the most!).
ex_naye320 From: ex_naye320 Date: September 9th, 2006 04:47 am (UTC) (Link)
Yeah - no. I have no idea what's going on... At the same time, I can understand the general wish to keep control of your creations, even on somebody else's computer. And if you see a webpage as an extended personal space - like your apartment - it kind of makes sense that they all have a "玄関" where they stipulate a set of rules... I mean, inviting someone into your home, there are all these unwritten rules and set phrases and you can be pretty sure your guests will take of their shoes and not start throwing your best china around. I don't really know where I'm going with this anology, but - um. Maybe you get what I mean? Because I can understand the feeling, even if I don't think it's at all logical, and even if it goes contrary to the way most westerners think about websites.

Thing is... I've had webpages. And if there had been some way to make sure only my "uchi" could find it, I would probably have been very happy. ^^;;

And I wonder about the Western fandom... The thing with uchi/soto (and honne/tatemae, for example) is that the biggest difference I can see is that in Japan, it's acknowledged. Yes, we differentiate between "us" and "them". Yes, what we say or do is sometimes different from what we really think or really would like to do. But - you can't tell me we don't do the same in Sweden! And so - I'm sure Western fandom does have in/out. I just... need to eat something before theorizing. ^^;;
shayera From: shayera Date: September 9th, 2006 09:34 am (UTC) (Link)
Hmm... You're right, it does happen everywhere - the line between fans and non-fans is pretty sharp in our part of the world as well. But... that kind of behavior takes it to another level of setting up fences, don't you think?
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