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xparrot From: xparrot Date: October 8th, 2006 02:58 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Reply the second

[LJ's limit pwned me, too! geesh!)

Anyway. As far as SPN goes - liked Ellen, didn't really care for Jo but whatever (I didn't like her punching out Dean - seemed like a cheap shot; Dean wouldn't hit a girl. Unless he knew she were possessed. :P), and am...torn, about a femme hunter (which Jo was supposed to be, in the script spoilers J saw, so...don't know what happened there? except she totally didn't look like a hunter so good choice there.)
A female hunter would be awesome, but...am worried about how SPN would do it. There's so many ways and cliches to screw up a char like that...(I know what I want...you have to see Numb3rs, there's a v. cool woman on the team, their profiler. She's a little older than the main boys, so not a love interest, very very competent but not a superhero, has family/father issues mostly hidden and is generally great at being a woman who's also one of the boys. A hunter basically in Megan's mold would be awesome.)

Really, I'm not even theoretically opposed to Dean or Sam gettinig into a relationship. I'd just be more entertained if it were a gradually evolving, developing thing, and if it were based on friendship and loyalty first rather than sex (I mean, with Dean's kind of char, that's the best kind of relationship, the woman he doesn't hit on, never even notices until the day he realizes he's in love...) I want the kind of relationship like...oh...Princess Tutu, in which I don't even know if it's going to happen but eventually are pushed to the point that I'm dying to see it.

...I just realized that my major opposition to love interest chicks isn't even the demotion of woman from chars to romance toys. It's that it takes out the mystery, and that's...one of the few ways to get my unromantic ass involved in a love story. And yeah, I should've realized that before, but...

--and this reply has gotten way too long and far too nonsensical, so I'll just post, and hope you can, as you so often do, make sense of it (you're so very good at unraveling the inanities of my thoughts! ^^)
ex_naye320 From: ex_naye320 Date: October 8th, 2006 09:37 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Reply the second

Anyway. As far as SPN goes - liked Ellen, didn't really care for Jo but whatever (I didn't like her punching out Dean - seemed like a cheap shot; Dean wouldn't hit a girl. Unless he knew she were possessed. :P)

Um - what, why? I was so down with her punching him there! He'd just broken into her place (let's ignore the "why didn't they just answer the door" for now...), and grabbed her rifle while giving her a lecture starting with "You know, miss...". It wasn't just the right thing to do because he was a potential danger to her and her mother, standing there with her gun - it was also extremely satisfying to see that she didn't have to listen to Dean's lecture to be able to take care of herself. Again, remember - she didn't know anything about Dean at that point, except that he was apparently quite handy with lockpicks, and nothing about his not hitting girls (do we know he doesn't hit girls who threaten him at gunpoint?). I was all "yay!" at the punch. :D

and am...torn, about a femme hunter (which Jo was supposed to be, in the script spoilers J saw, so...don't know what happened there? except she totally didn't look like a hunter so good choice there.)

Someone posted a comparison script/final here. It is interesting reading...

(On a "fandom scares me" sidenote - looking for that post, this icon jumped at me. Nice, huh? )


And - yeah, that's what I said, about cliches... A female hunter could go just as wrong as no female hunter. Except then we'd have a female hunter, and I would know there out there, and that would make me happy. They need to write more female characters like the sheriff from Benders, because she was awesome, and would make a great hunter! ...so, yeah. I think I'd like to see them try, at least. Because then they'll have tried. Maybe we should make them watch lots of B5 first? Or even Numbers - that profiler sounds awesome!

And your musings on romance and us - well, romance and you, but I'm agreeing with every single thing you wrote? Now that's really COOL. I'd never actually reasoned things out that far before! That that's why I think I don't like romance, but can still love romance if it's like... Princess Tutu. ♥ Or can even want to see characters like Mulder and Scully or Sumire and Aoshima together, because they'd be right for each other, but one's not introduced to the other as a "romantic interest" and I need to go re-watch B5 right now. ^^;;

Thank you so much for taking the time to post all this! ♥

...any thoughts on how John might be back now that they've burned his body? It sort of blew a hole in my theory/hopeful rambling from last ep. ^^;;
xparrot From: xparrot Date: October 9th, 2006 10:36 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Reply the second

Ahh, I better explain myself before I get mistaken as a crazy antifeminist or something ^^;; It wasn't Jo's punching of Dean that got me, so much as the writing of it...it seems cliche to me, having the girl punch out the guy, and then the guy is left with no recourse but to grin and take it. I'm just thinking if it had been a guy who'd punched Dean, then they would have had a scuffle after. As it is, did Jo apologize? Maybe she did, I can't remember...it's just. I dunno. If a guy punched out Dean in the same circumstances? I don't think I'd be rooting for him.
...I'm doing a lousy job of this explanation thing ^^;; I agree it makes perfect sense for her character to do such a thing, and she was in the right since it was her place - it just seemed like the writer set it up to make a 'oh look strong girl! strong blonde girl! not sexist!' point...(where as if she'd been truly competent she wouldn't have needed Dean's lecture because she would've stayed out of range of him grabbing the gun anyway :P)(...actually, I think that's what kind of gets me, is this sort of double standard of girls who are strong enough to punch out guys, but don't have to take punches back, and it's not their fault they're in a society where reciprocal violence is unacceptable but it fundamentally makes me uncomfortable, because the strength they're showing is maybe just illusionary. Like, Dean probably could kick her ass, but he never would, and it's not fair to either of them. For that matter if a guy punched out Dean like that it would probably come across as more threatening than humorous...)(um, I am just getting myself confused here. Will figure it out later and get back to you, how about? ^^;;;)

Heh. The icon's just dumb fun, far as I see. Not to say that there isn't real hate out there (well, as much 'real' as can be when it's on a fictional char) but stupid rhymes/wordplay tend to inspire even those who are lukewarm about an issue (or else I just have a more charitable view of humanity. possibly undeserved.)

I'd never really reasoned out the thing about romance myself! But it does make sense...most of the het couples I've fanned on recently have been like that, the unexpected ones. And pretty much all slash is like that by definition...(this is why I love having discussions with you, we always figure out the neatest things ^^)

and speaking of figuring out...hmm, yes, buring John. Well. The demon might be able to fake a body? He can take over Death, for pity's sake, what is beyond the limits of his power? Just wondering...(especially with Dean's craziness, if it's got to do with John's whisper...if he knew his father wasn't actually dead, but couldn't tell his brother, and couldn't get him back...that would cause the kind of psycho rage he's bottling up. Of course so would losing his father to save his life, so, umm, yeah, no idea...!)
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