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xparrot From: xparrot Date: November 8th, 2006 04:45 am (UTC) (Link)
Glad you got over your bout with what sounds like one of the nastier common diseases around...yuck. (hallucinations?? not good...!)

SPN. Heh. Agree to disagree? I still don't like Jo. The actress just makes my teeth grate. Her look doesn't fit the char..."I'm a freak and don't fit in with the kids at school and all I care about is hunting like my dad! --and my makeup and hair, because I might as well look pretty doing it." Seriously, I know it's TV, but why the heck wasn't her hair tied back? That drove me nuts. You do not go wandering around ghosthunting inside walls without tying your hair back! It's a small thing, but it makes her feel less like a viable char and more like a BOTW chick. At least at the end her hair was lank and flat and looked more like one would expect, but...
Though you're right that the bratty little sister thing was kinda cute. And Dean's whole thing about having nothing against women hunters, just amateurs was very him. Maybe if she takes it to heart and starts training seriously (It occurred to me recently that one of the things that tends to annoy me about the fighting femmes who kick ass so hotly is that most of the time, they seem to be able to do it without paying any price. Male chars, other than Superman, you see training constantly, pushing themselves - a woman, to keep up physically with a man, has to work out *harder*, because fundamentally we're just not as strong. But it's rare to see women ever training - unless they're just doing it to show how much ass they already kick - you don't see them suffer for their skills. Nor do they usually have to pay with things like smaller breasts and unattractive-by-modern-standards musculature...)(and no, I'm really not expecting SPN to be groundbreaking in its presentation of females! It's just that I'm spending a lot of my time now anaylzing why I don't like so many femme chars, and SPN is a good basic example, being not too terrible, but not too great either...I'll stop now.)(I do still like Ellen though. And Dean's fear of her. She's no-nonsense awesome. And she called Dean "hon" which is too dang cute!)

Regarding their past and John...yeah, I liked that. I didn't think it was going to be something as commonplace as an affair and it was nice to not be disappointed. I didn't think beyond that, what actually happened...I'm sure there is a bit more to the story, and we'll probably get it sometime. Maybe near the end of the season to go after the same monster. Though...really, I have no trouble believing John might've let down his partner, depending on what was at stake. Not to speak ill of the dead but John did not work well with others. It kinda depends on whether John saw William as family or not...
ex_naye320 From: ex_naye320 Date: November 8th, 2006 07:03 am (UTC) (Link)
Need to go work, but - I'm sorry, I'm not quite getting the logic in this. So, the chick, because she's blonde and petite with her hair out (which bugs me too, but EVERY SINGLE FEMME IN ACTION has her hair out, pretty much) and we haven't seen her lifting weights or running laps is annoying you by not being enough of a "real hunter"? But Dean, with his unscarred, oh-so-pretty face, and Sam, with his hair long enough to constantly dangle in his eyes and Greek-god smooth body, they pass without comment because... what? They're guys? I'm sorry, but none of the Winchesters have the "look" of a real hunter. They're really good at pretty, really good at Jello-eyes, really good at looking built, too, but everything you say bugs you about Jo could be applied to one of them, except possibly the boobs. We don't see them working out - we do see them eating junkfood. We don't see them working to be hunters, not even Sam after his years of college life - they just are, and because they're guys, that's okay. But the pretty? The fact that they can crawl though sewers and still come out looking hot (and less mussed up than Jo, I might add) - I've never heard you complain about that. In two words - not fair!

I think it's been established that John cared deeply for Jo's whole family, or Ellen would never have had that line about "he was like family once". That alone makes it really... set up to be not John just being his usual bastard self. And remember - he used to be a Marine, and my impression of them is that they don't let their partners down... Even if the demon changed John - it was war, William was his fellow soldier, and I really can't see John letting William die because it was the easiest thing to do...
xparrot From: xparrot Date: November 8th, 2006 07:43 am (UTC) (Link)
...ah, I was writing a long reply, but then realized I didn't want to fight about this! Agree to disagree? All I want to say is that, in all fairness - maybe I haven't complained about the Winchesters looking Hollywood-pretty, but I've certainly laughed about it enough...I complain about it in Jo because I don't like the char. And yes, that's partly 'cuz she's a chick and I think they're handling her pretty poorly (no more poorly than a thousand other shows before, but there you go, a thousand wrongs don't make a right...and most of the shows I've been watching lately, the femmes do tie their hair back before battle, so maybe I'm biased now) but I'd be picking, justly and un-, on any boy char I didn't like, too (you should hear me go on about the faults of all the chars of Heroes, except the couple chars I do like, one of which is a highschool cheerleader...)

...agh, dammit, gotta go!! I'm sorry if I'm upsetting you with the Jo-dislike...I'm not in on any SPN fandom so I haven't seen any of the vitriol that might be out there, this is just my own opinion....
ex_naye320 From: ex_naye320 Date: November 8th, 2006 08:30 pm (UTC) (Link)
Obviously it's a good thing I'm staying away from those other thousand shows. I watch so little western tv now that it doesn't feel like the same old annoying thing to me. Sure, I have issues with how the writers are handling the character, but I don't think they're doing a terrible job. So, yeah, agree to disagree.

...I want to see the Death Note movie. Meep.
xparrot From: xparrot Date: November 8th, 2006 02:19 pm (UTC) (Link)
Ahh, I had to run out in the middle of last reply...let me try again? ^^; I worded my original reply poorly. My primary beef with Jo isn't that she doesn't look like a hunter, that's just one element that irritates me, and it's the one I was thinking about at the time, so it's what I answered with. The comment about femmes not working for their bad-assed-ness wasn't aimed at Jo in particular so much as many femme chars in her position - actually with Jo they seem to be making the point that she's not really as equipped for hunting as she thinks she is, which is somewhat of an interesting place to bring the char, will see where it goes.
I do argue that the Winchesters, whether they look the part of hunters or not (it's arguable - I mean, no scars, they don't get dirty except for comic relief, but Sam at least definitely has the body of a guy in shape. The trouble is that guys with muscles are considered sexy, so most young actors got 'em and are therefore halfway convincing when they get physical; while as actresses are supposed to look like toothpicks by current beauty standards and thus most of them don't look like they work out a whit. Which is why BSG is so refreshing. But anyway.) it is established in their backstory that they've trained and trained hard...getting guns at 5 years old and such.

I bitched about that, but fundamentally my problem with Jo is less with the char (though I don't care for the actress; that's purely subjective on my part, but there you go. Not in an I hate her and want her to die way, I'm sure she's a very nice girl, I just don't find her especially compelling to watch) and more with the writing of her. That making her major in this episode seems to have cancelled any Dean&Sam interaction, which is the whole reason I'm watching this show! Not to mention Jo and Sam had almost no interaction. Part of the trouble I'm having especially is that Numb3rs just introduced a new love interest for one of the brothers, and managed in two episodes to set up a pretty appealing char - not one of my favorites yet, but one I wouldn't mind seeing more of. And part of that was because they were careful to establish relations between her and all the team, not just her and her future lover boy. Now, Numb3rs as a team show is better equipped to handle new chars than SPN's 2-man format, but...Jo could be better. I agree that she faced a lot of undeserved prejudice from the get-go, and I admit that I myself am biased against her. And I get illogical when I'm biased ^^ But the char hasn't done much to change my mind. I guess...I could find things to like about her if I made the effort. But I'm a bit resentful that I have to make the effort. That someone decided what this show needed was a chick for romance, when I liked it just fine the way it was...

Anyway. Am glad to know that you can enjoy the show as is! I'll try to be more accepting...or at least I'll drop the Jo thing now, promise ^^;

In other news - have you heard that there's gonna be a live-action movie of Mushishi? We went to Death Note 2 tonight (not bad, not bad at all!) and that was the first preview...
xparrot From: xparrot Date: November 8th, 2006 02:35 pm (UTC) (Link)
--um and apologies for spamming, just realized I didn't mention the John thing. Ellen's line about him being like family - I was wondering if the trouble was that she and her husband did see John as family, but John didn't. Because John might've just tried to pull the go-it-alone thing, and William might've gotten in the way...I agree, I don't see John just letting another hunter die out of laziness. But John was way too willing to die for the cause, and if he and William came up with a dangerous plan to defeat some bad thing, John at least wouldn't flinch at attempting it...
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